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  • #3143
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    Early days yet for Huawei mobile phone operators, but given the recent blacklisting of Huawei via US.

    Google has suspended Huawei’s access to updates of its Android operating system and chipmakers have reportedly cut off supplies to the Chinese telecoms company, complying with orders from the US government as it seeks to blacklist Huawei around the world.

    In a fresh blow to Huawei, Google said it was complying with Donald Trump’s executive order and was reviewing the “implications”, after Reuters initially reported the story.

    It later said Google Play and the security features of Google Play Protect would continue on existing Huawei devices but the next version of its smartphones outside China would lose access to popular applications and services including the Google Play store, Maps and the Gmail app.

    Chipmakers such as Intel, Qualcomm, Xilinx, and Broadcom have told employees they will not supply chips to Huawei until further notice, Bloomberg reported on Monday, citing people familiar with the matter.

    Huawei – which has not yet responded to the recent reports – will continue to have access to the version of the Android operating system available through the open source licence that is free to anyone who wishes to use it. But, according to the Reuters source, Google will stop providing technical support and collaboration for Android and Google services.

    The company has previously said it was developing its own backup operating system, in case Huawei was ever blocked from using US software.

    In an interview in March with the German publication Die Welt, Richard Yu, the head of the company’s consumer division said the company had a “plan B”. He said: “We have prepared our own operating system. Should it ever happen that we can no longer use these systems, we would be prepared.”

    Huawei, which relies on chips from the US, has reportedly been stockpiling the chips and other components in anticipation of the ban. In an interview on Saturday, the Huawei CEO, Ren Zhengfei, said the company would be “fine” without US chips.

    Google’s move comes after the Trump administration officially added the telecoms manufacturer to a trade blacklist on Thursday, declaring a national economic emergency to ban the technology and services of “foreign adversaries”. The blacklist immediately led to restrictions that will make it extremely difficult for the firm to do business with US companies.

     

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/19/google-huawei-trump-blacklist-report

    In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).

    #3150

    XRW
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    Hey,

    How do you see Huawei ban ? does it going to effect products like existing routers ,modem , ISP DSLAM and other various network equipment that are supplied by Huawei ? ……. does it mean no support for existing products if bugs are found later on them from chip manufacturer ? ……..because Qualcomm and Broadcom are also planning to cut off their collaboration with Huawei

    • This reply was modified 3 months ago by  XRW.
    #3153
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    Glad you asked, this has recently become big news and Huawei for a few years has been a concern for the US and others.

    I remember back in the day when BT was allowed to use Huawei kit for their telecoms networks, what a managed risk exercise that was……..

    According to the various sources I have read, it does sound like current Huawei Kit – that has been sold and is in operation (Mobiles – Routers – Modems – Tablets) etc.  will be supported for now , as with Google whom  third party devices have already been certified under processes known as the Compatibility Test Suite (CTS) and the Vendor Test Suite (VTS). should remain fully operational.

    As a consequence, Google can provide them with new versions of its products and authorise downloads from its Play marketplace, without having to directly deal with Huawei itself.

    However, matters become more complex when it comes to security updates.

    The way these typically work is that Google gives Android device-makers the code for its software fixes about one month before it reveals details to the public about the vulnerabilities involved.

    This gives manufacturers time to check the patches do not cause problems for their own proprietary software, and then to package up a customised version of the fixes as a download.

    Huawei will now only learn of the patches on the same day they are released to the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), meaning there will be a lag before it can distribute them.

    But going forward , new purchases could/will be effected and the likes of the Broadcom Qualcomm and other chipset manufactures outside of US (Infineon) are also planning to support the US enforcement – so products, including newer Chipsets, Drivers and security will not be supported, and from my understanding Huwei may even roll out there own OS, thus removing users access to  Googles premier services such as Google Play app store, Google Mail etc.

    History:

    China’s Cyber Security Law (commonly referred to as the China Internet Security Law) changed in 2017 (June) now requiring China’s companies to …………….

    The Cybersecurity Law is applicable to network operators and businesses in “critical sectors. By critical sectors, China roughly divides the domestic businesses into Networking businesses that are involved in telecommunications, information services, energy transport, water, financial services, public services, and electronic government services.

    These definitions mean the law is applicable to almost all businesses in China that manage their own email or other data networks. Network operators are expected, amongst other things, to: clarify cybersecurity responsibilities within their organization, take technical measures to safeguard network operations and prevent data leaks and theft; and report any cybersecurity incidents to both users of the network and the relevant implementing department for that sector.

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/cybersecurity/news/huawei-admit-chinese-law-obliges-companies-to-work-with-government/

    China’s Huawei and ZTE pose national security threat, says US committee and in 2012 Huawei and ZTE was a concern due to Chinese Government ‘potential’ influence, the Decision was to avoid the Brand where ever possible

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/oct/08/china-huawei-zte-security-threat

    Huawei has also been under investigations in Trade Secrets case with Mobile Operator back in 2014  regarding T-Mobile and theft of a Robot that helped T-Mobile diagnose quality control issues with handsets etc.

    I also remember reading that Samsung was not happy about copyright theft of there folding phone, I forget the details but again, Apple is always taking Samsung to court of IPR, so maybe these references are less relevant ???

    • This reply was modified 3 months ago by UK Sentinel UK Sentinel.

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    #3155
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    So the short version is, if you have a current Huawei Device, you should be ok (for now), but if you are thinking of purchasing a new Huawei device or kit, seek further guidance from the supplier, including guarantees around updates (apps and security).

    Likewise, US and China Trade relations could improve and then we will be back to BAU 😉

    In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).

    #3156
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    I read this on the theverge.com

    Huawei can keep sending software updates to its phones for three months, US says as the Commerce Department has provided a temporary license ?

     

    Nice of them 😉

     

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/20/18633171/huawei-software-updates-phones-google-android-commerce-department

    In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).

    #3157
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    and now ARM ….

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48363772

    In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).

    #3158
    Grisu
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    We all can only hope thats not the beginning of WW3, irrespective which weapons are used (these can be even worse)!

    #3159
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    It will be interesting to see how Japan manages this scenario, as they could be a big player in this current state of affairs 😉

    In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).

    #3160
    Grisu
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    their economy didnt grow for 2 decades and they are only 125mio population not a danger at all accepting all US limitations and many bases on their territory still some kind of occupied, you cant compare them with chinese growing 10% a year and 1 bio population fighting for leadership!

    #3161
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    So if all Western Companies shift there manufacturing (and other economic interests) away from China to Japan/India etc. then what for China ?

    Japan has the Third Largest Economy in the World, they are by no means a small fish

    Either way, it will be interesting to see how this scenario pans out ?

    In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).

    #3170

    XRW
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    it’s personal opinion , but feels like it’s all related to trade war between USA and China ( i could be wrong )  ………. if US GOV Administration gets what they want ..they will be happy i guess ? .. through Huge Loss for huawei ……..

    but i wonder ? if huawei shift brand under different name , transfer their assets  and reallocate to different place/jurisdiction does it going  to work for them ?

    #3526

    XRW
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    Huawei will be allowed to do business with U.S. companies again

    Huawei will be allowed to do business with U.S. companies again (Updated)

    #3528
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    Until next time 😉

    In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).

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