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    kev2021
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    Hi all,

    Looks like my parents are considering FTTP but I’m curious how it will work.

    At present, Telephone line comes to the house via a pole so i presume the Fibre will come over the pole too?

    Also, does the Fibre and ONT box need to be next/near to the BT Main Socket?

    IF we moved the main house number to BT’s digital service (VOIP) does that mean we need a new house phone and how would we connect the various telephone sockets round the house to it?

    Do I need to use the BT Provided router or will my Asus RT-AX86U be ok to use, bearing n mind no Dect port on it?

    Early days on this at the moment, think parents are thinking if they save on the line rental, that money can go towards FTTP as home phone isn’t used much due to mobiles.

    Also, does FTTP come with a battery back up as only time it would be useful is if power went out (very very rare, last time was a couple of years ago and that was a large part of the country and obviously mobiles stopped working so would be handy if there was a battery back up for this purpose just for them to be able to call and let me know and also check for faults with provider etc as not immediately obviously if its just your home or an entire area.

    Many thanks

    Kevin

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    FTTP installs are supplied with a Optical Network Termination (ONT) device which takes the light (optical) from a fibre cable and converts it to and electrical signal – so think of it as you new modem and then you just plug in you current router to the ONT via an Ethernet cable and you are good to go.

    FTTP is supplied by BT as well as other (City Fibre – Virgin  ) so unless and usually dig up pathways and you parents may have a Fibre Termination point at the end of the drive already, if so then the engineers will just use this to make a conenction to house with either digging up a small trench between the end of your drive to your parents home.

    If no such termination point is available at the end of the drive – then yes the fibre will follow the same path as your parents current DSL service (overhead).

    BT do offer another service which is called Fibre to the Premises (on-demand) and this is where you do not live within a FTTP area but you current Street Cabinet supports VDSL and thus an engineer can run a pure fibre cable alongside you current DSL (copper) cable and you gain a  FTPP this way,

    Alas FTTPOn-demand is very expensive and runs into the £1000’s

    No idea about battery pack for ONT kit

     

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    #13544
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    Thanks, The price offered isn’t into thousands and not seen any termination point.  So guess will be overhead cable.

    So potentially, I could get it put in a different location to BT socket and the jun a cat5e/6 cable to my router? I figured be easier to get the fibre come into proprty up stairs & then run a cat5e/6 cable under floorboards etc downstairs to where asus router is but wasnt sure if it required the BT master phone socket to be close by as all pics i’ve seen online mostly show installed next to BT socket.

    Thanks

    Kev

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    Try below link as by entering telephone number, will give you what is available via Local cabinet

    https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL

    In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).

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    Hi all,

    I’m re-looking at this now as parents decided to move to FTTP and drop the landline, save on the line rental and are signing up to a VOIP service provider as it will work out cheaper as they are being offered FTTP for only few quid more each month but are not being offered BT’s Digital Voice service as that seems to be only select people at present, if available in your area and online ordering didn’t mention BT voice at all.

    Couple of further questions, has the ONT box got smaller? I’ve seen some pictures online and it seems a much smaller square box now as opposed to the bigger square box they used to supply but maybe that is due to something else?

    According to BT they *must* use the SmartHub2 they provide in order to access the internet, surely not? Surely we can just plug the cable from ONT box into the Asus Router (after they have completed install)? I presume no changes will need to be made to the connection info on Asus router? At present using Draytek modem and Asus router (AX86U), although I’ve just switched it back to the BT smarthub for when engineer comes so it all look “standard”

    Does anyone know how the install will take place?  Will they place a box on the wall outside the house and then drill a whole through to then run a cable into the house and into the ONT box?

    Anyone know how long the fibre cable can be inside the house? as they will need to drill whole in wall into the front room and then run a cable to where BT main socket is as that’s where router is at present and is an ideal location as it’s out the way.

    Thanks

    Kev

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    I have learn’t this recently myself, BT Openreach’s New Smaller FTTP Broadband ONT and Mini OLT are without a battery, hence reduction in size.

    Use of SmartHub2 is as they say is a *must* but in reality, BT also insist they all DSL kit is BT SIN 498 (MCT) validated, but very few DSL kit is, so more a requirement from a support perspective incase any issues, so use what you would prefer after the ONT and plug back in SmartHub2 if support is needed.

    Fibre cable will run to the inside of you house, usually to where your existing Master socket is located and then terminated inside the ONT box, then any onward connection would be your responsibility, (I assume) unless you have a particularly helpful BT engineer

    Officially, BT will install upto 10 Metres inside the premises or to the nearest 13 amp power socket, (usually this is where the DSL master socket is located)

    If you pay extra, BT do offer the premium installation service, so will then run fibre to a custom preferred location. (within reason).

    https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/products/fibre-broadband/installation-options

     

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    The ASUS RT-AX86U has a 1Gb WAN port so perfect for a FTTH / P connections

    For the settings, all you need to do is enter PPoE username is bthomehub@btbroadband.com and no password is required and you are good to go

    BT FTTP Own Router Settings:

    • PPPoE username: bthomehub@btbroadband.com
    • PPPoE password: <blank> or BT if router does not like no password being used.

    How you doing the VoIP service ?

    In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).

    #14762
    kev2021
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    Hi, Thanks for info! ah great, my BT master socket is where I want them to put the ONT box so I’m going to leave the floor board up so the can drop the cable under the floor and I’ve put a plastic tube under the floor to cross the hall with  a cable running through it which they can attach the fibre cable and then pull it through which brings it up right next to the master socket and then there is space on the wall to mount the ONT box as required.  The router then sits on a shelf above this so easy to connect up plus my network switch etc is there also so all in one place for easy access etc.

    10m is plenty long enough.  I have power sockets by the BT master socket so all simple to connect up.  By removing Draytek model and ASUS router (temporarily) I’ve freed up 2 sockets for ONT & new BT router.  I’ll remove remove the BT router and put back just my ASUS router once engineer is gone and I’m happy everything is working etc.

    I’ve signup to a VOIP service provider. We have a gigaset home phone which I discovered has a ethernet port on the black box which I can connect to my network and therefore not need the RJ11 to BT socket cable and it is VOIP capable so I’ve put in the details for my VOIP provider but currently waiting account to become live before I can test it.  Landline is seldom used to place calls , it’s mostly to receive calls.

    At present line rental runs to end of the year so if this VOIP service works ok, we plan to stop the line rental which means will just pay for the FTTP which is a reasonable price.  If this VOIP provider doesn’t work out or has issues etc then we still have some time to try out different providers before end of the year to hopefully avoid paying the line rental again as from what I understand I dont need a line to have fttp so effectively can drop it and save approx. £20 a month line rental. So get faster internet for few quid extra a month and drop line rental saving £20 a month = win win.  Even if parents find they use the landline more than they think, they can sign upto a call package which means they will still save £10 a month at worst case scenario but I’m hoping they use mobiles more (inc. minutes in plans etc) so should negate needing a call plan on landline and they just pay for any calls they make I’m hoping.

    Kev

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    Thanks, that’s great, I think my Asus is already set to those login info when using Draytek modem so should just plug in and switch on :)

    Kev

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    Sounds like a good plan, much like myself, our BT DSL line is just used for Broadband nowadays and calls etc. are via mobiles only.

    The only detail I am unsure of  is if you have a FTTP / H service – then I am unsure if your DSL line will still be active for telephone calls etc ?

    ASUS RT-AX86U should just be a straight swap and leaves you with a modem to sell or mount on the wall as a remembrance to times gone by

     

    In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).

    #14766
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    When moving to FTTP, they have the choice of keeping line/telephone number. As the line rental is paid upfront until end of the year, they will keep the line for now whilst trying out VOIP and seeing if its ok.  If it works out ok, plan is to then advise BT we no longer want the line or the number and hence that will cease in December and then they will be saving the line rental charge and just continue to pay the internet fee.  Fingers cross the VOIP works ok, if not as said we have another VOIP provider we can try.

    Kev

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