ASUS Fiber Modem

[vitt13]

Hi, I have a question to UK Sentinel if I may

When or if ASUS will make specifically designed Modem for Fiber optic connection like this one from AVM https://en.avm.de/products/fritzbox/fritzbox-5530-fiber/

All our German internet providers from May 2022 to January 2023 must upgrade to Fiber, my house in particular is to be upgraded this summer, I don’t really want to use FritzBox or use Fiber Modem + any Router because I like using one device.

Maybe you can give an idea to ASUS to make such modem/routers, it’s a huge market you know, almost every country these days have Fiber Internet

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[UK Sentinel]

Good question and I will double check with ASUS, I know they had plans around 18 months ago, but no idea as to the progress, if any

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[UK Sentinel]

Ok, so I spoke with ASUS and seems at the moment they have no plans to introduce a fibre based wireless modem/router combo, at the moment.

ASUS did say that they would consider this option going forward and I just wonder if this is something they (ASUS) are keeping  ‘in-house’ for now, or have only recently realised the market potential

 

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[vitt13]

OK thank you, it’s very pity , I think they have lost another customer (me) , I guess hello AVM, here I come…

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[UK Sentinel]

Yes, does seem strange that ASUS have missed this opportunity, most unusual

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[Grisu]

Consider that it is not easy to support FTTH as there are many very different solutions (HW and SW side) and you will only have a chance in a large local market where you are no.1 vendor.

Even when we have a lot Fritzbox here in Austria they wont offer it.
Each provider will use its own well tested ONT and give you a WLAN-router (Fritzbox) on top.
Much easier to support for providers and costs are similarly.

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[vitt13]

Hello, after 2 years of my first post, still no sign of Asus introducing fiber modem?

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[UK Sentinel]

Does seem that way, I will ask ASUS again to see if the situation has changed

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[vitt13]

Ok, thank you

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[UK Sentinel]

ASUS have come back and said, the new RT-BE88U has an SFP+ port and an PON ONU Stick could be plugged in for example.

FWiW: In UK, we use mostly a service provider supplied ONT point and just plug our mainstream routers directly into that via the WAN port.

https://www.asus.com/uk/networking-iot-servers/wifi-routers/asus-gaming-routers/rt-be88u/

 

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[vitt13]

Hi,

is this module compatible https://www.fs.com/uk/products/141198.html?now_cid=2845

there is also an AVM module https://www.amazon.de/AVM-maximale-Geschwindigkeiten-Glasfaser-geeignet/dp/B0D1RFS66Q?language=en_GB  it says it’s only compatible with FritzBox but I think it’s a marketing for not using it with other Routers (maybe i am mistaken).

And have i understood correctly that with this module the Router becomes a “Modem Router”

The reason I want to connect directly to fiber is I don’t like aditional ONT modem with many cables and so on, and I don’t like FritzBox either.

Or maybe you or ASUS can advice which one to use with RT-BE88U (it’s like 4G stick compatibility)

BTW, we use GPON in Germany

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[UK Sentinel]

@Grisu, is this similar to the setup in Austria for GPON ?

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[Grisu]

No, because usually you cant use fiber-modems in Austria directly and have to take ONT from provider. There are some smaller fiber-networks where it is different (XGS-)PON and AON.
Technically it could work, but they are registred with their ID (not only MAC) and so your own ONT oder modem won’t work.

I personally dont see any advantage using fiber-modems, ONT needs only <3W power which fiber modems would take more than a WLAN-router.
ONT is changed by provider if defective, so cheaper as well and more modular. You can use any own router or the one from provider if you have no need for better ones.

I can only tell you, that an SFP-module has to be supported by router interface and you cant use the XGS-PON module from AVM on the new 5690pro fiber modem (only simple PON or AON module will work and XGS-PON module will work with comming 5690XGS only).

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. Grisu Said:

No, because usually you cant use fiber-modems in Austria directly and have to take ONT from provider. There are some smaller fiber-networks where it is different (XGS-)PON and AON.
Technically it could work, but they are registred with their ID (not only MAC) and so your own ONT oder modem won’t work.

This is a good point, whether the substituted ONT from provider needs the individual ID / Encryption etc.

I will have a look online over the weekend and see if this is the case for fibre based connections in Germany, if I get time.

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I am still looking and thought to add some context incase others read this thread from the UK looking for a better understanding of UK’s ONT (Optical Network Terminal).

In the UK,  the ONT has to be matched with the OLT (Optical Line Terminal – head end) in the Exchange and there are different vendors used in the UK Nokia,Huawei and Adtran I believe. (hardware)

Then there is the standards (GPON, XGSPON) used in the UK. The standards allow cross vendor solutions, but this is challenging and expensive.

If an ONT is swapped out for another (same hardware manufacturer) it won’t work unless it’s configured on the OLT. In a typical PON network all connections from the same fibre splitter receive all the same light. The data is encrypted on the fibre and addressed specifically to each ONT, so each user can only see their own traffic. If you change the ONT, the address won’t be correct and you won’t see any data.

To add to this I believe at least for UK, ONT’s on the network has its serial number registered against the circuit. If you buy your own ONT and plug it in, it won’t authenticate.

This sound very familiar to what forum member @Grisu described whom is based in Austria, now I just need to understand if Germany telecoms / fibre network also deploys a similar solution.

(Note: happy to be corrected as some of this information maybe incorrect.)

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