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Problem with 7583 and 7582 they are still only brought by provider, so no real market to get them. Only if somebody gets one from carrier and then uses a different modem or can keep it after ending the contract. German or “real” provider versions like 1&1 should be avoided. Our Austrian provider doesn’t come with brandings or restrictions so they are fine.
This would be what you need: https://skinflint.co.uk/avm-fritz-box-7583-20002847-a1776713.html
One Austrian 7582 is sold on ebay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FRITZ-Box-7582-ahnlich-Fritzbox-7590/274000005456?hash=item3fcbac4950:g:MJcAAOSwyX9ddTyv
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An 7582 is a good idea, if Austrian (Annex A-B) Hardware, it is s such a shame no adaptor (device) can get around the RJ11 to RJ45 or visa versa pin function allocations so we can all use Annex B hardware (ISDN) in an POTS Annex A country (hardware) ;-)
In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).
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Sorry dont understand what you want to say with this?
But first I have to correct myself!
I mixed up a little bit with 7590 which I use and forgot that 7582 and 7583 have an RJ11 connector for xDSL and no ISDN support!
7583 even have line bonding support, so you can double speed with 2 lines.
First there is no issue to use an RJ11 plug in RJ45 socket (only for 7590).
Usually the inner (middle) pins are line on almost all devices.
And ISDN like POTS use this 2 pins for their signal, the only difference is that POTS uses analog 300-3,4kHz and ISDN is modulated with 120KHz. ISDN-So bus with 4 pins will only be behind the ISDN-NT (network termination) used to connect upto 8 ISDN phones directly to it in parallel.
After the splitter its the same DSL-signal with Annex A and B, only B wont use cut off lower spectrum while A can do so. And there is a Annex_M too, but dont know the difference.
An RJ11 to RJ45 adapter (for 7590) is included with the router to connect Y-cable to the splitter and back to the phones or you can use RJ11-ports Fon1 and Fon2 for your analog phones.
The back-phone signal goes to the next inner pins while if you use ISDN the outer 4 pins will be used, there are 2 different adapters included to do so.
But that all not relevant for 7582 or 7593!
They have only DSL input signal pins used on their DSL-port. Y-cable only with 7583 for bonding 2 lines.
Both dont support POTS over the box nor ISDN, you have to use a splitter for POTS as usually.
Thats different to 7590 where you may run POTS into the box, use the recorder, fax-box and DECT together with POTS or even ISDN over the box.
7582 and 7583 cant do so, only if you have VoIP it will go through the box with all its phone features. In Austria all new lines run VoIP or can be changed to VoIP, POTS is dying. So thats not an issue so far here.
All you would need is RJ11 adapter to your local phone plug if they use something different!
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@jaffacake G.fast is only good if you are around 300 Meters or less from Exchange/Cab, but for short term with no IPTV (separate VLAN) required, the 7890 should work well
@Grisu, thanks for clarity,In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).
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FYI – When your Fritz!Box arrives, it has an option and tells you how far away from your cabinet you are,(mine does at least)
Enjoy the stroll
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Its only an estimation but good enough. Over 250m vplus(Vectoring) is almost as good as G.fast. And 7590 syncs about 10% faster than 7582 on my line tested with different modems.
Think this is a good choice, especially if you like to use your old POTS with box-features like audio-recorder. I have their M2, C4 and C5 DECT phones too, got them cheap used.
And I use 2 other 7590 for mesh and a 3rd to mesh over WiFi to neighbour house with DECT phones there too. Each DECT phone should be fixed to one router, otherwise internal calls to it will have problems.
If you have any questions how to do feel free to ask and dont be unpatient, I know its hard after getting a new toy.
Maybe we could clear up some things in front, that you are faster and wont have to change often to get what you like to have.
First: You have POTS and needed to use a splitter, no VoIP possible what could make things easier, is this correct?
How does the phone wall-outlet look like in UK? Pin, switching and connector schematics would be fine to predefine best and easiest connections.
I still dont understand the 4 or 6 pins of UK wall box and what’s inside this huge box, is this all really needed at all? All I know line comes on this funny plug on pin 2 and 5. What are the other 1-4 wires??? Worldwide only 2 (a and b) are used. And is there really only one jack or are there more to use more than one phone. How do you connect a splitter to it? They usually have 2 pins in from line, 2 pins phone out and 2 pins to modem. We have 3 sockets in Austria for 3 phones or audio recorder or whatever. On the first we plug in a cable to splitter, on this same plug the phone pins go back to this first plug and supplies the other 2 plugs for phones. If not enough you may get a second/third .. wall box to connect phones in other rooms, they all in daisy chain, so first phone will take over calls from other phones behind if picked up.
Sorry if I mixed up words, dont know how to name them correctly.
What I could find is your phones are connected in parallel and for each one an own wall mount box.
DSL splitter uses first one and have a phone jack and one for modem. Then things are easy. Use Y-cable and either the correct adapters for phone and DSL with RJ11 jack or make your own adapters to directly fits to your funny UK-system. Your phones should be connected to the Fritzbox Fon1 and/or Fon2.
This pinout in the FIRST picture shows on left side top Y-cable phone from splitter (outer 2 pins), down Y-cable DSL from splitter and on the right side DSL-port of 7590.
Here the english manual: https://assets.avm.de/files/docs/fritzbox/fritzbox-7590/fritzbox-7590_man_en_GB.pdf
On page 48 the connection scheme you will probably need.
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No problem, below is response I got from AVM Tech regarding model numbers
The FRITZ! Box models, which can be used outside of Germany, are essentially differentiated by the accessories. Different sockets, cables and plugs are used in the respective countries. For use in the UK I recommend to use a FRITZ! Box 7590 with the article number 20002861.
But best wait until @Grisu is online, just incase my guidance for AVM is incorrect
In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).
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I think its probably fine and they have an Ireland/AU version with decent plugs.
As long as its not German version (with single language) the first step is done.
Rest is only related to plugs and adapters, but you could do them yourself in worst case.
Austria is AT or AUT
Australia AU or AUS.
And with Ireland I think they got same plugs as UK.
OPEN it and tell us how it its going on
Firmware will be same as mine thats “other” (all outside Germany).
ftp://ftp.avm.de/fritzbox/fritzbox-7582/
Try to load it to be sure, no worry, it will refuse if not the correct one.
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Thank you again uk sentinal i can’t wait to get home from work and unwrap it !
@jaffacake – how’s the new Fritz!Box 7590 ? did you manage to get it working ?In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom (J.G.Ballard).
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hi, sorry for the slow reply! I’m totally blown away by the new router 7590. the supplied cables were not compatible with our english connections, but I cobbled some wires together with parts from the “spare wire box” that we all have, the diagrams above were most useful.(I had no idea that the RJ11 and RJ45 connections were compatible).
My dsl connection is showing speeds well above the maximum 74Mb/s down and 20Mb/s up so my junctions can’t be too bad!
The menu option shows that my router distance from the cabinet is 301metres – g.fast is said to work well up to 300metres. so near, yet so far! So we did not go out for a romantic walk, but found something even better to do with the time ;-P ;-P
I’m totally impressed by all the features, I have the app on my phone so can answer landline calls on my mobile, I receive an email if I miss a phone call because I’m not at home, I have a dect handset plugged in, the NAS access is configured and working. I didn’t know about the VPN features, will hook my mobile phone into those next. The rumours about german engineering are totally true considering the design of this box!
edit : forgot to mention that my old router was 300Mb/s, this one will do 1700Mb/s on the 5Ghz frequency band, so file transfer speeds are so much better!
thanks again for all the friendly and useful advice
Andy
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